AND HOW ARE YOU DOING MENTALLY? I MEAN THE FIRST TIME I - WHEN I FIRST - I MEAN I DIDN’T KNOW I WAS COMING HERE. OBVIOUSLY.
I MEAN THEY JUST—WHEN I WAS AT DRDC—[Denver Reception & Diagnostic Center] THEY SWOOPED YOU UP, DIDN’T THEY? I WAS THERE A WEEK. LIKE THE FIRST DAY I GOT THERE THEY PUT ME THROUGH THE RINGER.
LIKE I HAD LIKE 11 TESTS TO DO. LIKE LIKE LIKE MENTAL TESTS. LIKE READING, MATH, ALL KINDS OF STUFF - JUST TO SEE WHERE MY IQ WAS. AND I JUST SAT THERE THE REST OF THE WEEK.
AND THEN SUNDAY CAME ALONG AND THEN AFTER DINNER THEY SAID LIKE, “ALL RIGHT, STRIP DOWN AND PUT THIS ON.”
I’M LIKE, “OKAY.” AND THEN WALKED OUTSIDE AND PUT ME IN A VAN.
IT’S JUST LIKE, “OKAY.”
I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THEN WE STOPPED IN STERLING, WHICH REALLY FREAKED ME OUT.
I WAS JUST LIKE, “I DON’T WANT TO BE HERE” BECAUSE I HEARD SO MANY HORROR STORIES ABOUT THAT PLACE.
I AND UH—THEY JUST STOPPED TO USE THE BATHROOM AND THEN WE KEPT GOING.
IN THE PRISON? DID THEY USE THE BATHROOM AT THE PRISON?
YEAH IT WAS LIKE AT THE WATCHTOWER OUTSIDE. OH.
WE WENT TO NEBRASKA, THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE THERE. THEN ANOTHER SHERIFF’S OFFICE IN IOWA TO USE THE BATHROOM, EAT BREAKFAST, THEN WE GOT HERE.
I ASKED ‘EM ONCE—I ONLY TALKED TO ‘EM ONCE, I’M LIKE “CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE WE’RE GOING?”
“LIKE, JUST THE DESTINATION STATE?” HE WAS LIKE, “I DON’T KNOW.”
BUT IT WAS LIKE ONE OF THOSE TRANSPORT VANS WHERE IT HAD JUST THE MIDDLE, WHERE I WAS SITTING THERE AND I COULD SEE OUT THE WINDOW AND I COULD SEE THEY WOULD PUT IN AN ADDRESS EACH TIME.
THEY HAD LIKE FOUR SETS OF ADDRESSES TO EACH ONE WE HAD TO GO TO. THEY JUST WOULD NEVER TELL ME WHERE WE WERE GONNA END UP.
WHAT WAS - WHAT DID THEY SAY YOUR IQ WAS?
I DON’T KNOW IT WAS LIKE 140? 135 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
IS THAT HIGH? I DON’T EVEN KNOW. IT’S ABOVE AVERAGE. YEAH.
IT WAS—IT SENT ME BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL, FOR REAL.
NAME THE PARTS OF THE CITY AND ALL THAT STUFF?
YEAH IT WAS A LOT OF WORD PROBLEMS, A LOT OF LIKE GEOMETRY, A LOT OF LIKE PATTERNS - IF THIS WAS MOVED THIS WAY.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE A SERIES OF ‘EM LIKE ALL RIGHT: “WHAT’S THIS GONNA BE?” JUST A LOT OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE FURTHER YOU GOT ALONG, THE HARDER IT GOT. I’M JUST LIKE - IT’S LIKE GREAT.
IT WAS LIKE THEY GIVE YOU THIS LITTLE— TAKE THAT PEN AND TAKE THAT TUBE OUT IN THE MIDDLE. THAT’S WHERE YOU USE IT TO FILL OUT THESE LITTLE SCANTRON SHEETS AND EVERYTHING.
FELT LIKE I WAS HIGH SCHOOL AGAIN.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG YOU’RE GONNA BE HERE? NEITHER DO I, BY THE WAY. NO.
DO YOU KNOW…ARE YOU GOING TO GET A JOB?
I IF UH SINCE I’M STAYING HERE—SINCE I’M GOT STAFFED HERE—THEN YOU HAVE TO WORK.
SO WHAT’S YOUR JOB NOW? I DON’T HAVE ONE YET.
THEY HAD TO MOVE ME OUT OF THE ACCEPT— AND EVALUATION. ACCEPTANCE AND EVALUATION. ASSESSMENT AND EVALUATION PROCESS.
YOU STILL IN THAT PHASE? OK. AND HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE?
OH RIGHT NOW LIKE SINCE I’VE BEEN STAFFED HERE I’M JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO MOVE ME OVER TO A DIFFERENT UNIT.
AND ARE YOU IN GEN POP RIGHT NOW? NO.
NO I’M IN A UNIT. IT’S LIKE 11 OR 12 OF US ON THERE. IT WAS LIKE 22 WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE BUT THEY’VE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE OTHER PRISONS AROUND WISCONSIN.
AND WHAT ARE THE
OTHER GUYS LIKE?
THEY’RE LIKE -
THEY’RE FINE LIKE THE
FIRST TIME I SAT OUT
AND ATE LIKE A
BREAKFAST OR LUNCH
WITH 'EM I WAS--I WAS
SCARED.
WERE YOU NERVOUS?
YEAH I’M JUST LIKE THIS HASN’T HAPPENED SINCE YOU KNOW - THIS NEVER HAPPENED.
LIKE THEY LOCKED THE HALLWAYS DOWN WHEN I GOT MOVED TO COLORADO. IN WELD? I’D HEARD THAT.
SO IT WAS LIKE BEING—NEXT LIKE EATING THIS LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEBODY I WAS LIKE, “ARE THEY GONNA TAKE A SPORK AND TRY TO STAB ME OR SOMETHING?”
BUT IT’S TOTALLY DIFFERENT HERE I MEAN, PEOPLE KNOW WHO I AM BUT THEY DON’T LIKE RUN AT ME OR JUMP AT ME.
OR LIKE, APPARENTLY THE GUYS THAT WORK HERE, THEY KNOW THAT I GUESS OTHER MAXIMUMS ARE—LIKE YOU GET LOCKED DOWN LIKE 23, 22 HOURS A DAY.
OH, SO THEN THIS IS AN ALL RIGHT PLACE TO BE? FOR LIKE A LOT OF MAX GUYS. GOOD.
THEY SAID IT WAS THE BEST MAX BUT THE WORST MEDIUM. OH.
BECAUSE UH, IF YOU’RE MAX, YOU’RE WORKING. SO YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR CELL WORKING LIKE - YOU KNOW IF YOU’RE A CLERK OR YOU’RE IN THE KITCHEN, YOU’RE IN THE REC AREA. YOU’RE DOING SOMETHING.
OKAY. BUT UH, IF THEY SAY LIKE IF YOU GET STAFFED HERE IT WOULD BE BEST FOR YOU. PLUS THEY SAID IT’S NOT AS ROWDY AS SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES. YEAH. WELL THAT’S PRETTY INTENSE.
YEAH, SO LIKE I’M GOING TO THE GP AREA THEY JUST DON’T KNOW WHEN. AND YOU THINK IT WILL BE WHILE YOU’RE HERE?
HMM MMN. OKAY.
THEY SAID LIKE I GUESS IT COULD TAKE—LIKE IT TAKES A LOT TO GET MOVED FROM MAX TO MEDIUM.
IN COLORADO I WAS CLASSIFIED AS MINIMUM RESTRICTIVE.
BUT WITH THE CHARGES IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MEDIUM BUT HERE IT’S AUTOMATICALLY MAX.
They will come and tell about his saving deeds; they will tell a future generation what he has accomplished.
Psalms 22:31
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